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Running on Empty: Cars that Never Need Gas

There are hybrids. There are electric cars that plug into a wall and get their juice from whatever mix the electric company is offering. And then there are electic cars that are charged by solar panels on the roof of one's house. They never need gas, and the power is free after the set-up cost.

We wondered: How tough is it to do this? Are electric cars hard to find? Is it difficult to get a rooftop solar collector set up? Here are the stories of two guys whose vehicles run on empty.

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Darrell Dickey: A New Car -- And Fuel for Life

Darrell Dickey regularly commutes to work 24 miles, one way, by bike. But when it's too cold or wet for the bike, or when he and his family travel long distances from their home in Davis, California, he drives a battery-powered electric vehicle that he charges with photovoltaic (PV) panels mounted on his garage roof.

"Five years ago, I spent about $45,000 and got a brand new car (the RAv4EV) and the solar system," he says. "We're still driving the car every day, and the solar system will continue to make fuel for whatever EV we drive in the future. For $45,000 we bought a new car and fuel for the rest or our lives."

In 1996, Dickey was invited to test-drive the GM "Impact", which he then leased for two years. (The Impact later became the EV1, the first modern electric vehicle.) "We loved that car and hated to give it back," he says. But the Toyota Rav4EV had just become available for purchase, so he bought the electric vehicle he is driving today.

Dickey says the inspiration to drive electric comes from having a child. "It would embarrass me to have to explain to my daughter why we continued to import and burn oil when we knew the consequences," he says. "Having no tune-ups and no trips to the gas station ever is just icing."

By installing a solar system atop his garage, Dickey took the next step in driving a totally clean car. "Now," he says, "I can deflect the comments that my 'electric' car is just a 'coal-burning' car. EVs are the ultimate flex-fuel vehicle. You can make electricity out of just about anything: sun, wind, natural gas, coal—even gasoline! Your fuel can be totally domestic, or in my case, totally local."

Asked how long it will take for the PV system to pay for itself, Dickey replies: "If we think of everything in terms of what it costs us in the short-term, we're screwed. It's the same argument people use against the Prius: When will it pay back in gas savings? But that only accounts for the money paid at the pump. What of the billions of dollars that leave our economy for oil, or the billions of our tax dollars that go toward tax incentives for oil companies? What of the cost of the military and the lives lost to protect our oil?"

But the short answer for the solar pay-back, he says, was "the instant I turned my system on." Dickey had been paying $75 a month for electricity. He took a loan out to buy the PV system, and pays $70 a month toward that loan. "My electricity and gasoline bills are now zero, and next year when my loan is paid off, this investment will be paying me probably for the rest of my life. My PV system covers the power for my home and my car. It displaces $90 worth of electricity and over $100 worth of gasoline every month. So my estimate of how long until the system pays for itself is no time at all!"

Dickey says the Rav4EV is the best car he's ever owned. "My wife commutes in it 40 miles a day, five days a week. We drive it for our weekend outings and it does errands that are too far or too bulky for the bicycle. It has never been tuned up, and I've spent about $50 total on it for maintenance. My wife has not been to a gasoline station in seven years and 70,000 commute miles—not once!"
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Stephen Weitz: This Truck Runs on Sunshine

Stephen Weitz, who holds a Ph.D. in biochemistry, says four things prompted him to buy an electric truck and charge it with solar energy: 1) global warming and the National Academy of Sciences (NAS); 2) Albert Einstein; 3) nitrogen "overdose"; and 4) open habitat and species destruction.

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If the majority of the cars on the showroom floor starting this year were these things, it would still take 7 years before the majority of vehicles on the road were EVs. By a not so funny coincidence, according to the author of "6 Degrees" - that's precisely how long we have to start significantly decreasing CO2 emissions - not slowing the growth, significantly decreasing.
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A car with solar panels and it's own, personal, windmill.

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Pretty ridiculous really.
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Darrel wrote:DAR
A car with solar panels and it's own, personal, windmill.
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Sadly, only in Europe. And only 200 made. Or I'd get one.
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www.teslamotors.com

I want one of those. But alas, I am going to wait until they come out with their cheeper model--the Tesla WhiteStar or the next one the BlueStar.

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Zero to 60 in three seconds...

The White Zombie is powered by two motors; motors that are usually used to operate forklifts. It's filled up with over 60 batteries that occupy both the trunk and the back seat. All of this gives the White Zombie about 300 hp, and the ability to beat every combustion engine it comes up against.

It takes about 20 minutes to fully charge the car, and it can get up to 40 miles on a full charge.

See the YouTube video here.

The White Zombie is a Datsun 1200 that turns 11.466-second elapsed times in the quarter mile with a trap speed of 114.08 miles-per-hour. And to cap it off, there are about 800 pound-feet of torque at zero rpm.

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Well of course this one never needs gas. It just rides around on a flatbed trailer...
Doug wrote:And to cap it off, there are about 800 pound-feet of torque at zero rpm.
One of the great advantages of electric motors over internal combustion engines is that motors have good (or great) torque numbers at low rpms while engines are virtually useless at low rpms. That said, motors still work great at high rpms, the combination of which results in less complicated gearing being required for electric vehicles.

EVs for the win.
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Cadillac Electric Vehicle?
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General Motors reportedly will build the Cadillac Converj, a range-extended electric vehicle based on the Chevrolet Volt, and have it in showrooms within two years.

Maybe.

Motor Trend, citing an unnamed "well-placed source," says GM brass have approved the project and want it on the road by the end of 2011, assuming the company turns its finances around. But Cadillac spokesman David Caldwell tells Wired.com that Motor Trend is wrong.

"We're pleased that reaction to the Cadillac Converj concept is strongly positive," he said. "But there is no change in its status — it's a concept under consideration, and that remains the case."

Motor Trend sticks by its report and says, "Our source offers a number of details that lend credence to the probability of (the project's) approval."

...Motor Trend says the production model will be a two-door coupe similar to the concept we saw in Detroit. A production model would probably be taller and have more ground clearance than the concept, to allow GM to package the Volt's drivetrain. It also would would get a bigger lithium-ion battery pack to give the car a little more oomph.

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