Creation Science Class w/ Chris Kohlman

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kwlyon wrote:Why does no one ever take me up on this offer?
Because -- even though they're dumb enough to believe the nonsense in the first place -- they have just enough sense to know that they can't hold their ground with somebody who actually knows what s/he's talking about.

... but they'll tell you it's because of your bad breath.
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Have we heard back from Mr. Kohlman as he promised?
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No. But I have his numbers and haven't forgot about it. We knew there would be a delay because he was going to Israel and I was away for a month. I'll keep you updated. We'll definitely know something before the next meeting.

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Darrel wrote:We knew there would be a delay because he was going to Israel and I was away for a month.
Right, but it's been over two months...
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Savonarola wrote:
Darrel wrote:We knew there would be a delay because he was going to Israel and I was away for a month.
Right, but it's been over two months...
And I have been brushing my teeth religiously three times a day. They are still crooked and coffee stained but my breath is really much better...
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Any word yet?......I would love to get to talk to this guy...I missed my opportunity at the debate as I opted to engage the public instead. I would love the opportunity to chat with him about my conversations after his "talk".
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Just found this via Google... So much for being "free thinkers" You really should change your name to "Free Thinkers- so long as you agree with us."
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Dedicated Christian wrote:Just found this via Google... So much for being "free thinkers"
Dear dedicated Christian, I would be more inclined to take your advice about what a freethinker is seriously, if you showed enough awareness and interest in the topic to learn that it is one word, not two.

free-think-er n.
A person who forms opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief. -- Webster's New World -- Third College Edition
You really should change your name to "Free Thinkers- so long as you agree with us."
Dear dedicated Christian. We have almost 20,000 posts over six years, and we don't censor for content. So if you wish to make a point beyond wanking that you don't like the free speech opinions of any who have freely chosen to post here, please tell us what that point might be.
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Let me tell you something. "Free Thought" is impossible. Free Thought means that what you say is inspired by no one, and influenced by no one. This is not possible, because everything anyone says, thinks, or does is influenced and inspired by one thing or another. For a thought to be "free", it must be all your own, and nobody else can have ever thought of it. Otherwise, how can it be free thought? It's been used before. I guarantee that, no matter what comes into your head, there has been somebody, somewhere, in some point of time, who has thought the same thing. To say that you are freethinkers is nothing more than a deliberate slap in the face to anyone who believes or thinks differently than you- a method you seem to feel compelled to use to prove your own superiority.

Let's look at it another way. You could say that you are freethinkers because you do not think in a way that others tell you to. In this case, you are freethinkers because you don't believe in God. But, in this case, you are hypocrites. As you have stated before, thinking differently does not make you a freethinker. "Just because someone thinks differently from us does not mean that the person is a freethinker." This is, in the most honest term, bigotry. You claim that you are freethinkers, yet anyone who tries to think freely DIFFERENTLY than you is a pathetic fool. How can you make these claims? How can you call yourselves freethinkers? Your justification seems to go something like this: "I'm right, you're wrong, and that's the end of it!" I would encourage you to stop and think about what you claim to stand for and (maybe) actually start standing for it. I know you won't, though, because I'm just a foolish Christian who doesn't spell free thinkers as one word.
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Dedicated Christian wrote:Let me tell you something. "Free Thought" is impossible.
For you, maybe, if your screen name is an accurate representation.
Free Thought means that what you say is inspired by no one, and influenced by no one.
That is not the definition of "freethinker". Read the definition posted above, and try again.
This is not possible, because everything anyone says, thinks, or does is influenced and inspired by one thing or another. For a thought to be "free", it must be all your own, and nobody else can have ever thought of it. Otherwise, how can it be free thought? It's been used before. I guarantee that, no matter what comes into your head, there has been somebody, somewhere, in some point of time, who has thought the same thing.
To indulge you in your faulty reasoning: not exactly. The "free" part of "freethinker" refers to a lack of undue influence. If a thinker is unaware of that "somebody, somewhere, in some point of time, who has thought the same thing", then his thought is free of influence from the previous iteration, even if it isn't an original thought.
To say that you are freethinkers is nothing more than a deliberate slap in the face to anyone who believes or thinks differently than you-
Oh, waaah. You think you've been slapped in the face. You should dry your eyes and picket the dictionary publishers. That'd show them.
a method you seem to feel compelled to use to prove your own superiority.
Many who argue with us appear to be compelled to prove our superiority for us.
As you have stated before, thinking differently does not make you a freethinker. "Just because someone thinks differently from us does not mean that the person is a freethinker." This is, in the most honest term, bigotry.
It isn't bigotry, but it's true. Read the definition of freethinker posted above. If you form your opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief-- and apparently you do-- then you are by definition not a freethinker. That is not bigotry; it is simply the definition of a word. Maybe you'd better look up "bigotry" while you're at it.
You claim that you are freethinkers, yet anyone who tries to think freely DIFFERENTLY than you is a pathetic fool.
Many people are pathetic fools regardless of what they think. That's not our fault. The crux of the matter at hand is how they form their religious beliefs.
How can you call yourselves freethinkers?
It's quite simple: our way of thinking fits the dictionary definition of "freethinker".
I would encourage you to stop and think about what you claim to stand for and (maybe) actually start standing for it.
I encourage you to learn what "freethinker" means before you try to encourage us to do anything. (By the way: I stand for the flag, ladies who enter the room, and very little else.)
I know you won't, though, because I'm just a foolish Christian who doesn't spell free thinkers as one word.
It's nice of you to admit your sins, but you left out a few of your sins against language.

Stop whining about not being a freethinker. Being a freethinker is not like being in a club. You choose to not be a freethinker by not forming your opinions about religion according to the definition of the word. That's your choice. Try to cope.
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People get so hung up with their labels. When the Christians aren't arguing what has to be exactly believe to be the correct one true flavor of ChristianTM (of several thousands sects, 30,000 if you count them all), then they are coming by to tell us Freethinkers what our label must mean even though they can't grasp it even after the basic straightforward definition is fed to them.

Dear Dedicated Christian, stop wanking about labels, semantics, taxonomy and who goes in what box. Try saying something interesting.
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