Atheism is DEAD!

[davidmabus2020]

First of all: Nostradamus demolishes "atheism"


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wait, wait...


I forgot something...


you little shits even talk about me....


GOATS ON FIRE....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssFaIhJkLsk



LIBERATION!


Sing from the rooftops:

"Atheism is dead!"

http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forum/ind ... d__117856_

[tmiller51]

Your last post (about Randi quitting the Million Dollar Challenge) was wrong too.

Tim

[Dardedar]

Nostradamus demolishes "atheism"

DAR
Care to share that quatrain David? No, I didn't think so.

"Atheism is dead!"

DAR
I was going to roast poor "David" but then I did a little checking and observed that he is just a mentally ill person who brags about posting his shite "on every forum on the internet." Boring.

[davidmabus2020]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK50So-yYRU

BYE BYE ATHEISM

[Dardedar]

Oh, he returns. Okay, let's review. As I posted April '08:

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DAR
Check out the incredible decline of Christianity in America here.

Excerpt:

"The proportion of the [American] population that can be classified as Christian has declined from 86% in 1990 to 77% in 2001." ARIS Study."

76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. This is a major slide from 86.2% in 1990. Identification with Christianity has suffered a loss of 9.7 percentage points in 11 years -- about 0.9 percentage points per year. This decline is identical to that observed in Canada between 1981 and 2001.

If this trend has continued, then:

-- at the present time (2007-MAY), only 71% of American adults consider themselves Christians

--The percentage will dip below 70% in 2008

--By about the year 2042, non-Christians will outnumber the Christians in the U.S.

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See also this post: The coming evangelical collapse.

See also:

"The meteoric rise of secular quasi-religions
Equally startling has been the meteoric growth of secularism in its religious forms. Two immense quasi-religious systems have emerged at the expense of the world religions: agnosticism (also termed secularism, materialism, non-religion, etc.) and atheism (also termed anti-religion or irreligion).... From a miniscule presence in 1900, a mere 0.2% of the globe, these systems have mushroomed to 20.8% of the globe by 1980. They are today increasing at the extraordinary rate of 8.5 million new converts each year, and are likely to reach one billion adherents by the year 1984. A large percentage of their members are the children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren of persons who in their lifetimes were practising Christians. No Christian strategist in 1900 had envisaged such a massive rate of defection from Christianity within its 19th-century heartlands."
[...]
In 1900, Christians numbered 34.4% of the world (37.8%, if adults only are counted; see Global Table 22). This percentage has fallen gradually over the decades until Christians in 1980 numbered 32.8% of the world (34.4% of the world's adults). Likewise, practising Christians have fallen from 29.0% of the world's population in 1900 to 23.3% today." --pg. 7
--*World Christian Encyclopedia,* Ed., David B. Barlett, 1982, Oxford University Press. Under "Christianity in the Global Religious Context," page 5.

See also this post from Doug in April:

The End of Christian America

The percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 points in the past two decades. How that statistic explains who we are now—and what, as a nation, we are about to become.
By Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK

etc.

So while it's interesting to watch a video of buildings collapsing, we find that your metaphor backfires on you and applies to religion rather than atheism. Big surprise.

D.

[davidmabus2020]

Please do not touch my post. The fact that you are incapable of making a relevant statement on CONTEMPORARY REAL RELIGIOUS MATTERS is your fault not mine...yours is just abstract words...




here the DANCE OF DEATH ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NHUbdqNb1A




almost forgot the most important part of it all, ALMOST:






don't waste your time in such futile activities...




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the atheist sins not only against God, but also against man...



Atheist:

have you for but a moment considered that you have adopted a position against 98% of the human race, both past and present?

do you think you are RIGHT and they are all WRONG?

WRONG



now listen to this arrogant puffed up son of a bitch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilWM7jIEN_k


little scientist geek who would try to usurp God Himself!!!


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these little insignificant fools try to use science to destroy every mystery in the universe...

but not this one!





First of all: Nostradamus demolishes "atheism"

__________________________________________________ __
wait, wait...

I forgot something...

you little sh*ts even talk about me....

G*ATS ON FIRE....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssFaIhJkLsk

LIBERATION!

Sing from the rooftops:

"Atheism is dead!"

http://www.conspiracycafe.net/forum/ind ... atheist-ap...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK50So-yYRU

BYE BYE ATHEISM



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Let's hear what "SNOPES" and "DAVID EMERY" have to say about NOSTRADAMUS & 9.11


http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/histor ... adamus.htm


and


http://www.snopes.com/rumors/nostradamus.asp


http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/histor ... amus_2.htm

"Once again, a very few words actually written by Nostradamus — individual lines drawn from two disparate quatrains, in fact — have been taken out of context, rearranged, and supplemented with made-up lines by person(s) unknown to make them seem pertinent to the event. The result, as before, is pure bunk. Not even Nostradamus would want to take credit for this "prediction." Anyone else want to have a go?"

Ok, I'll give it a shot...


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so you don't believe that Nostradamus could predict the future, right?





WRONG

[Doug]

DOUG
Nostrodamus, supported by mere assertions. Funny how you pretend to support him and yet you quote someone explaining how Nostrodamus is taken out of context, his statements rearranged, etc. It's as if you know it's all bunk and yet you want to just waste our time, and your life, with this nonsense.

Anytime you want to actually marshal together some arguments for your claims instead of comic book panels and mere assertions, feel free to bring it on.

Until then you can barely manage to rise to the level of mildly amusing...

[Dardedar]

This a mentally ill person who posts this same cut and paste spam all over the internet. Incoherent rants about Nostradamus and 9/11 junk along with sprinkles of atheist flame bait.

Slow down, observe the mental wreck, move on.

[graybear13]

[quote="davidmabus2020"]First of all: Nostradamus demolishes "atheism"


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssFaIhJkLsk



If you are saying that because the future can be predicted, that proves the existence of god. I agree with you. The fact that the evolution of life on this planet is so beautifully harmonious, and we are aware of it, says it all.

We can predict that creatures of this world will evolve in ways that will inhance their ability to procreate and survive.

It is not possible that we can be self aware if we are nothing more than the result of a materialistic event such as the big bang.

" The very pessimism of the most pessimistic materialist is,
in and of itself, sufficient proof that the universe
of the pessimist is not wholly material."

"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains,
however improbable, must be the truth." Spock

I wonder if atheism is a rebellion against God or, more, a rebellion against churches that portray God as a jealous and vengeful ruler that wants us to worship him through fear.

"Christianity has dared to lower its ideals before the challenge
of human greed, war-madness, and the lust for power. There
is no excuse for the involvement of the church in commerce
and politics."

The true teaching of Jesus...that we are all brothers and God is our all loving father...will be realized and there will be no further need for rebellion. The Golden Rule...no threats, no hell, just the opportunity to live in love for eternity.

It starts with a brotherhood of man.

[Dardedar]

It is not possible that we can be self aware if we are nothing more than the result of a materialistic event such as the big bang.

DAR
Why is this not possible?

[kwlyon]

The true teaching of Jesus...that we are all brothers and God is our all loving father...will be realized and there will be no further need for rebellion. The Golden Rule...no threats, no hell, just the opportunity to live in love for eternity.

It starts with a brotherhood of man.

I hope you are correct in this Gray. I don't really suspect that you are, however it is something to hope for. We will ether find out when we die...or not. For the time being, however, I think we need to steer clear of "religious thinking" and general irrationality. It seems religion and faith all too often lead to stupid and pain. But then, what do I know, I just recently discovered I am, in fact, a complete and total idiot...but I digress. Intellectually challenged though I may be, I hope only to one day learn to be a generally kind person. This comes from reflection and thought on one's own experiences as well as reading the reflections and thoughts of others. In order to respond to our fellows in a positive manner, particularly when confronting the not so positive, one must understand the state others exist in. It is necessary to understand what makes us who and what we are. The human condition, it seems, is as fascinating as it is daunting.

I read about this Jesus fella allot. I think he had some really good things to say and I would be a better person to apply them to my life more aptly. He also said a few things that were not so great...but then don't we all. He certainly doesn't seem to be what the christians make him out to be if for no other reason he hasn't bothered to drop in and clear up the chaos his life has induced. But then we are all largely products of our society (I think this may be what has driven me to idiocy). Given the society that the J man lived in I must give him mad props for being way ahead of his peers in terms of moral character development. And if he got a little overly zealous from time to time, well, this can be forgiven. I am guessing he would have gladly alleviated our general confusion regarding his teachings however this would be a bit of trouble for him seeing as how we killed him some time ago. Perhaps we should start taking his ideas and learning from the good... dismissing the not so good. I don't think christianity would be so bad were it not for its blind followers and well meaning idiots who are all to easily preyed upon by the likes of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falltohell.

At any rate, perhaps some day we will find ourselves before the creator of all that is...I think I would like that. Somehow I don't think he would be the asshole the christians proclaim him to be. Surely his last concern would be wether or not humans recognize his existence. It would be less arbitrary to insist that you be able to prove Fermat's last theorem lest you be cast into eternal hellfire for your damnable ignorance. I am retiring to my work now...It seems there is so much to do...I'm becoming convinced that I simply will not live long enough to even make a dent. Perhaps that is why I am so keen on the ridiculously improbable possibility of some afterlife. I have simply waisted so much of this life over such nonsense and it certainly seems to have been for not. But I must maintain that regardless, the best bet is simply to pick up with whatever you have left. Live as if there is no god...no heaven and no hell. Because if you take life for all it has to offer, making the world all the better for you having passed through it, and die only to meet with your creator, you can buy him a beer and thank him for all he has done for you. On the other hand if you die only to cease to exist...at least you had the opportunity to live. At least you have given something, however minute, to those who proceed you.

Kevin

[Savonarola]

If you are saying that because the future can be predicted, that proves the existence of god. I agree with you.

So if I can predict how much of a sample of a radioactive isotope remains after a given amount of time, that proves the existence of god? Really? Are you high? Or are you just talking about the nonsense that "prophets" spout that can only be filtered enough to be considered "correct predictions" after the events have already happened?

The fact that the evolution of life on this planet is so beautifully harmonious, and we are aware of it, says it all.

Irish elks' antler size being driven so large by sexual selection pressures that the species becomes extinct from an inability to function with unnecessary weight on the males' heads is "beautifully harmonious"? Look, I'll argue until I'm blue in the face at how elegant certain biological systems have become due to evolution, but let's not pretend that the process is always rated G.

We can predict that creatures of this world will evolve in ways that will inhance their ability to procreate and survive.

Right, based on previous observation. That's inductive reasoning. That's science. Why does this have anything to do with God?

It is not possible that we can be self aware if we are nothing more than the result of a materialistic event such as the big bang.

Non-sequitur.

I wonder if atheism is a rebellion against God or, more, a rebellion against churches that portray God as a jealous and vengeful ruler that wants us to worship him through fear.

It's not a rebellion at all, unless you count "rejection" as rebellion, which would just be stupid. Atheism is the rejection of the ludicrous notion that an invisible sky man exists and might interact with the universe.

The true teaching of Jesus...that we are all brothers and God is our all loving father...will be realized and there will be no further need for rebellion. The Golden Rule...no threats, no hell, just the opportunity to live in love for eternity.

Yet it's the atheists, not the Bible Thumpers, who have a better overall track record in promoting these ideas of equality without threats of hell or other punishment. Religious jihad, the Inquisition, witch-hunts, denial of civil rights, degradation of women and minorities... When was the last time Secular Humanists rampaged a region beheading believers in the name of atheism or argued against equality?

It starts with a brotherhood of man.

Sounds like you're a John Lennon fan. Do you know what the rest of his beliefs were?

[cantwait2012]

I am a Deist.I believe there may be a God.I can niether prove or disprove his,her or it's existence.As fore religion the longer it exists the more perverted the text becomes.I will stop now and leave you with a quote from a great thinker Thomas Jefferson "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."

[Dardedar]

I am a Deist.I believe there may be a God.I can niether prove or disprove his,her or it's existence.As fore religion the longer it exists the more perverted the text becomes.I will stop now and leave you with a quote from a great thinker Thomas Jefferson "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies."

DAR
Welcome "can'twait." Your Jefferson quote is a citation commonly attributed to him (I've done it myself), but it's not authentic, so you shouldn't use it. There are lots of good anti religious quotes by Jefferson but that's not one of them. Consider:

Thomas Jefferson is often named as the source of the following quotation:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

Some sources cite this as being from a letter from Jefferson to a "Dr. Woods;" others claim it was to William Short, and still others do not cite a specific document. We have not found this quotation in any of Jefferson's known writings. Link

D.

[graybear13]

It is not possible that we can be self aware if we are nothing more than the result of a materialistic event such as the big bang.

DAR
Why is this not possible?

Because you asked that question.

Because you care.

If this were merely a material universe
and man only a machine, such a man would be
wholly unable to recognize himself as a
machine, and likewise would such a machine-man
be wholly unconscious of the fact of the
existence of such a material universe.

[graybear13]

The true teaching of Jesus...that we are all brothers and God is our all loving father...will be realized and there will be no further need for rebellion. The Golden Rule...no threats, no hell, just the opportunity to live in love for eternity.

It starts with a brotherhood of man.

I hope you are correct in this Gray. I don't really suspect that you are, however it is something to hope for. We will ether find out when we die...or not. For the time being, however, I think we need to steer clear of "religious thinking" and general irrationality. It seems religion and faith all too often lead to stupid and pain. But then, what do I know, I just recently discovered I am, in fact, a complete and total idiot...but I digress. Intellectually challenged though I may be, I hope only to one day learn to be a generally kind person. This comes from reflection and thought on one's own experiences as well as reading the reflections and thoughts of others. In order to respond to our fellows in a positive manner, particularly when confronting the not so positive, one must understand the state others exist in. It is necessary to understand what makes us who and what we are. The human condition, it seems, is as fascinating as it is daunting.

I read about this Jesus fella allot. I think he had some really good things to say and I would be a better person to apply them to my life more aptly. He also said a few things that were not so great...but then don't we all. He certainly doesn't seem to be what the christians make him out to be if for no other reason he hasn't bothered to drop in and clear up the chaos his life has induced. But then we are all largely products of our society (I think this may be what has driven me to idiocy). Given the society that the J man lived in I must give him mad props for being way ahead of his peers in terms of moral character development. And if he got a little overly zealous from time to time, well, this can be forgiven. I am guessing he would have gladly alleviated our general confusion regarding his teachings however this would be a bit of trouble for him seeing as how we killed him some time ago. Perhaps we should start taking his ideas and learning from the good... dismissing the not so good. I don't think christianity would be so bad were it not for its blind followers and well meaning idiots who are all to easily preyed upon by the likes of Pat Robertson or Jerry Falltohell.

At any rate, perhaps some day we will find ourselves before the creator of all that is...I think I would like that. Somehow I don't think he would be the asshole the christians proclaim him to be. Surely his last concern would be wether or not humans recognize his existence. It would be less arbitrary to insist that you be able to prove Fermat's last theorem lest you be cast into eternal hellfire for your damnable ignorance. I am retiring to my work now...It seems there is so much to do...I'm becoming convinced that I simply will not live long enough to even make a dent. Perhaps that is why I am so keen on the ridiculously improbable possibility of some afterlife. I have simply waisted so much of this life over such nonsense and it certainly seems to have been for not. But I must maintain that regardless, the best bet is simply to pick up with whatever you have left. Live as if there is no god...no heaven and no hell. Because if you take life for all it has to offer, making the world all the better for you having passed through it, and die only to meet with your creator, you can buy him a beer and thank him for all he has done for you. On the other hand if you die only to cease to exist...at least you had the opportunity to live. At least you have given something, however minute, to those who proceed you.

Kevin

I agree with almost everything you said....one point..."surley his last concern would be wether or not humans recognize his existence"

I believe that our lives are a way for God to be aware
of itself. We are inseperable in this life.
What we experience, God experiences

[Dardedar]

GRAY
If this were merely a material universe
and man only a machine, such a man would be
wholly unable to recognize himself as a
machine,

DAR
Why is that?

GRAY
and likewise would such a machine-man
be wholly unconscious of the fact of the
existence of such a material universe.

DAR
And beyond mere assertion your evidence for this is... what?

GRAY
I believe that our lives are a way for God to be aware
of itself.

DAR
That's nice. Do you have any reason anyone should think this is true?

D.

[kwlyon]

What we experience, God experiences

So you are a pantheistic deist of sorts? I am okay with this I suppose. I see no reason to believe in such a being however it is not contradicted by the nature of the reality we find ourselves in as far as I can tell.

Kevin

[Savonarola]

GRAY
I believe that our lives are a way for God to be aware
of itself.

DAR
That's nice.

I disagree, Darrel. I don't think that's "nice" at all. I think there's more meaning to my life than being a pet of a deity.

Once again, we have another example of religion belittling humanity while a secular approach values it, the antithesis of graybear's original assertion. Funny that, huh?

[Dardedar]

Whenever I say "that's nice" it's almost always meant in the sense of "that's nice... but... any good reason to believe such rubbish?"

I think Graybear thinks of us as more than God's pet, more like his video, sensory, experience recorder. God's imagination is so limited he needs mammals to "experience" things through. He couldn't have built a really good emulation machine to experience what being tortured or squished in a collapsed building is like, he needs to have people really going through torture and being squished. Everyday, all the time. It's a novel idea that goes way back. Quite popular in New Age circles now. Like reincarnation, it's a nifty idea but being a nifty is never a good enough reason to believe in something (I used to think it was). It's basically the primitive mind trying to make sense of a world that doesn't make sense. The seed of all religion.

D.